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The disposal invoice that started a company

Marcus VreelandFounder

A Garden City blender was paying $19,400 a year to bury containers that were not broken. Here is the arithmetic that turned that line item into a business.

Short answer

In 2008 a chemical blender near the Port of Savannah was spending roughly $19,400 a year to send empty IBC totes to landfill. The containers were structurally sound. Nobody in the building had a job description that covered working out what else to do with them, so they went on a truck. That gap — not a technology problem, a coordination problem — is the entire reason this company exists.
  • The containers were not broken, they were unassigned
  • Disposal cost was real money hidden inside a facilities budget
  • The buyer for those totes was eleven miles away
  • Seventeen years later that same gap is still the core inefficiency

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I want to be precise about this because the story gets told loosely, and the loose version makes it sound like an idea. It was not an idea. It was an invoice, and somebody showed it to me because they were annoyed about it, not because they thought it was interesting.

What the invoice actually said

A surfactant blender off Dean Forest Road had a line item in their facilities budget called "bulk container disposal". In the 2008 fiscal year it came to $19,412. That bought them a roll-off, a haul and a tipping fee, repeated about every three weeks.

What went into the roll-off was roughly 420 composite IBC totes. Each one was an HDPE bottle inside a galvanised steel cage on a four-way base. Each one had held a single fill of anionic surfactant blend. Each one was, structurally, fine — not cracked, not crushed, not contaminated with anything exotic. They had simply been emptied.

Weigh that out and the roll-off was carrying about 24 tons of high-density polyethylene and 12 tons of galvanised steel per year, and the company was paying for the privilege of putting it underground. The plant manager who showed me the invoice described it, accurately, as paying to throw away a forklift-load of raw material every fortnight.

Why nobody stopped it

This is the part people find hardest to believe, and it is the most important part. Nobody at that company was negligent. The plant manager knew the totes had value in the abstract. The problem was that converting "has value in the abstract" into "somebody collected them and paid us" required a person whose job it was, and no such person existed.

Procurement bought containers. Operations filled them. Facilities disposed of them. The empty tote sat in the seam between three departments, and in that seam the cheapest action for everyone individually was to call the roll-off.

I have since seen this exact structure at well over a hundred sites. The departments change names — materials management, EHS, plant services — and the seam stays in the same place. It is the single most reliable pattern in this industry.

The container was not waste. It was unassigned. Those are different problems and they have different solutions.

The distinction matters commercially as well as philosophically. If a container is waste, the conversation is about disposal cost. If it is unassigned, the conversation is about who wants it, and that is a conversation with a price on the other side of it.

The eleven-mile detail

Here is what makes it an inefficiency rather than merely a shame. Eleven miles from that loading dock, an agricultural chemical packer was buying new 275-gallon composite totes at roughly $340 a unit because that was what their supplier quoted.

One company was paying to destroy containers. Another was paying to manufacture replacements. They were in the same industrial corridor, in the same county, served by the same two interstates, and in at least one case using the same freight broker. Neither had any mechanism to find out about the other.

The 2008 gap, per 275-gallon unit
PartyWhat they paidWhat they got
Blender (disposing)~$46 per unit in haul and tipAn empty roll-off
Packer (buying new)~$340 per unitA new container
Combined~$386 movedOne container destroyed, one manufactured
What it should have been~$120 plus a short haulThe same container, used twice

The 2008 gap, per 275-gallon unit

Note that the gap is not a margin opportunity of $386. Most of that is real cost that genuinely has to be incurred by somebody — washing, testing, hauling, grading. The opportunity is the difference between $386 of combined spend producing one usable container and $120 producing the same thing. The rest is pure friction.

What we actually offered

Nothing clever. I offered to take the empties away for free, which was strictly better than paying $46 a unit to bury them. I had a 1998 flatbed and a pallet jack. For the first four months the entire business plan was "be cheaper than a roll-off", and that was enough.

It was enough because the competition was not another container dealer. The competition was a waste contractor, and a waste contractor cannot pay you for your waste. The moment somebody offers a positive price for the same material, the comparison is no longer close.

The washing came later, in a rented bay off Abercorn Street in 2011, and only because customers kept asking the same question: what was in it before? That question is the reason our grading language exists, and it is still the first question on every quote we write. I did not anticipate it. I assumed people would buy a container on condition, and they buy it on history.

The three things that turned a haul into a business

Looking back, the transition from "collecting empties" to "running an exchange" required three specific capabilities, and each of them took longer than it should have.

  1. Knowing what was in it. Without a prior-contents record you cannot grade, cannot wash correctly, and cannot sell honestly. We started collecting this in writing in 2010 and it transformed what we could charge.
  2. Being able to change what is in it. A wash line turns one grade into another and therefore turns one market into several. Before 2011 we could only sell to buyers who did not care; afterwards we could sell to buyers who did.
  3. Being able to prove both. A wash certificate and a test record are what let a buyer put a reclaimed container into a regulated or audited process. Without them we were competing on price; with them we were competing on evidence.

Each of those is a document before it is a machine. That ordering is something I got wrong for years — I kept buying equipment and then working out what to write down about it, rather than the reverse.

Why I am still telling this story in 2022

Because the gap has not closed. We have 38 certified partner yards and we still get decommissioning surveys that start with the sentence "we have been paying to get rid of these for years". Last quarter it was a coatings plant in the Carolinas with 610 units behind the building and a disposal line in the budget.

Six hundred and ten units is roughly 35 tons of material and, at their disposal rate, about $28,000 a year. They had been doing it since 2016. The person who finally called us was a new EHS manager who had come from an industry where container returns were normal and could not understand what she was looking at.

The containers keep being fine. The coordination keeps being the hard part. Everything we have built since — the wash lines, the rebottling bench, the granulator, the partner yard audits — exists to make the coordination fast enough and trustworthy enough that buying used is the obvious purchase rather than the virtuous one.

The number that matters

That first blender stopped paying $19,412 a year and started receiving a cheque instead. The swing was roughly $31,000 annually, which was more than the plant manager's discretionary budget and considerably more than the effort required to change it.

Over the following decade the same 420-unit annual stream saved roughly 53 tonnes of CO₂e against those containers being manufactured new — and we did not calculate that figure until 2017, because for the first eight years nobody asked.

They ask now. That is the one thing that genuinely changed, and it changed fast: in 2015 maybe one enquiry in forty mentioned environmental impact, and by 2021 it was closer to one in four. The economics were always there. The reporting requirement is what made people look.

Our full methodology for that kind of figure, including the part where we subtract what reconditioning costs us, is on our carbon math. The short version is that a reconditioned tote avoids about 126 kg CO₂e, and 420 of them a year is 53 tonnes — which is a real number attached to a decision somebody made because it saved them money.

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Marcus Vreeland

Founder

Started the company in 2009 with a 1998 flatbed and a hand-written ledger. Still reads every decommissioning survey.

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